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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">SZiasztok,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">A doodles visszajelzések alapján<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">kedden 9:30tól lesz egy időpont, <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Taki és Ferenc Attila írta, hogy nekik
      esti órák lenne jó. Kedd 18-19? Nekem koraesti órákban ez a
      legkésőbbi, vagy este 10 után.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">üdv, Miki</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/4/20 10:57 AM, Bércesné Mocskonyi
      Zsófia wrote:<br>
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        <p>Sziasztok!</p>
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        <p>Engem is érdekelne!</p>
        <p>Időpont tekintetében megpróbálok rugalmas lenni :)<br>
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        <div>Üdv,</div>
        <div>Zsófi<br>
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              face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Feladó:</b>
              Administrator
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:administrator-bounces@lists.openbiomaps.org"><administrator-bounces@lists.openbiomaps.org></a>,
              meghatalmazó: Gáborik Ákos <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gaborik@indamail.hu"><gaborik@indamail.hu></a><br>
              <b>Elküldve:</b> 2020. június 4. 8:48<br>
              <b>Címzett:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:banm@vocs.unideb.hu">"banm@vocs.unideb.hu"</a> ; obmadmin <br>
              <b>Tárgy:</b> Re: [OBM Admin] OBM (fajnevek)</font>
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          <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Sziasztok!</font>
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            <div><font size="2" face="Arial">Engem érdekel. Időpont
                tekintetében tudok rugalmas lenni, ha idejében megtudom,
                de az éjjeli a legnyugodabb. ;)<br>
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                    href="mailto:banm@vocs.unideb.hu"
                    title="Ctrl+Kattintás vagy koppintás a hivatkozás
                    megnyitásához" moz-do-not-send="true">
                    Bán Miklós<banm@vocs.unideb.hu></a></div>
                <div><b>Címzett: </b><a
                    href="mailto:administrator@lists.openbiomaps.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">obmadmin<administrator@lists.openbiomaps.org></a></div>
                <div><b>Elküldve:</b> 2020. június 3. 23:10</div>
                <div><b>Tárgy : </b>Re: [OBM Admin] OBM (fajnevek)</div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sziasztok,</div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">tartanék egy webináriumot
                    fajnév kezelésről a jövőhéten.
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hétfő - kedd - szerda
                    valamikor.</div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">A jelenlegi fajnév kezelő
                    működése, kapcsolódó űrlap beállítások. A validációs
                    modul használata. Az épp fejlesztés alatt álló
                    dolgok. Minden ami a fajnevek kezelésével
                    kapcsolatos...<br>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Keresek valami jó
                    felületet rá, talán az egyetemi elearning rendszert,
                    vagy valamit.</div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Kb annyi visszajelzés
                    kéne, hogy mennyien jelentkeznétek be rá és hogy
                    délelőtt délután, vagy  éjszaka legyen :D<br>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">üdv, Miki</div>
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                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/20 11:05 AM,
                    Csaba Ádám Gönye wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">  Szia Miki!
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                            <div>Akkor élhetünk ezzel a lehetőséggel,
                              hogy online megmutatod, hogyan lehet
                              javítani a fajnév listát?</div>
                            <div>A héten beleférhet az idődbe?</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Köszi szépen!</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>Üdv.</div>
                            <div>Csabi</div>
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                                color="#0b5394"><b><br>
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                            <div><font face="georgia, serif"
                                color="#0b5394"><b>--------------------------------------------------<wbr>-------<wbr></b></font></div>
                            <div><font
                                style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                                face="georgia, serif" color="#0b5394">Gönye
                                Csaba, zoológus / zoologist<br>
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                            <div><font
                                style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                                face="georgia, serif" color="#0b5394">Őrségi
                                Nemzeti Park Igazgatóság / Őrség
                                National Park Directorate<br>
                                Természetmegőrzési Osztály / Dept. of
                                Nature conservation<br>
                                9941 Őriszentpéter, Városszer 57.<br>
                                Tel: +36 30 211 3829<br>
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                            <div><font
                                style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
                                face="georgia, serif" color="#0b5394">e-mail: </font><font
                                face="georgia, serif" color="#0b5394"><a
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">csaba.gonye@onpi.hu</a></font></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_attr">Bán Miklós <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true">banm@vocs.unideb.hu</a>>
                        ezt írta (időpont: 2020. máj. 11., H, 12:08):<br>
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                          <div>Sziasztok,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>most nagyon sűrűek a határidők, de pár
                            nap múlva visszatérhetnék erre? Akár egy
                            online beszélgetés képernyőmegosztással?</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>üdv, Miki<br>
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                          <div><br>
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                          <div>On 5/11/20 10:19 AM, Ádám Faragó wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Akkor jó! :D</div>
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                              <div class="gmail_attr">Csaba Ádám Gönye
                                <<a target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">cs.gonye.onp@gmail.com</a>>
                                ezt írta (időpont: 2020. máj. 11., H,
                                9:50):<br>
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                                <div>A kiderítés alatt pontosan ezt
                                  értettem. ;-)</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_attr">Ádám Faragó
                                    <<a target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">faragoadi@gmail.com</a>>
                                    ezt írta (időpont: 2020. máj. 11.,
                                    H, 9:28):<br>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div>Köszi Csabi, ha ránézel!
                                      Viszont Miki lehet, hogy meg tudja
                                      mondani hol lehet elérni ezt a
                                      kezelőfelületet, és akkor nem kell
                                      keresgélned.
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                                    <br>
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                                      <div class="gmail_attr">Csaba Ádám
                                        Gönye <<a target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">cs.gonye.onp@gmail.com</a>>
                                        ezt írta (időpont: 2020. máj.
                                        11., H, 9:12):<br>
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                                        <div>Sziasztok!
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Jelenleg nem tudom, hol
                                            lehet elérni, de akkor ezt
                                            is kiderítem az előfordulási
                                            állapot kódtáblájával
                                            együtt.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Szép napot!</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <br>
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                                          <div class="gmail_attr">Ádám
                                            Faragó <<a
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">faragoadi@gmail.com</a>>
                                            ezt írta (időpont: 2020.
                                            máj. 10., V, 12:14):<br>
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                                            <div>Szia Miki!
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Köszi a részletes
                                                visszajelzést. Ezek
                                                szerint "viszonylag
                                                egyszerűen" akár mi
                                                magunk is ki tudjuk
                                                küszöbölni ezeket.</div>
                                              <div>Ez a
                                                "fajnévkezelő felület"
                                                István és Csabi rémlik
                                                nektek? Hozzá tudok én
                                                férni ehhez?</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
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                                              <div class="gmail_attr">Bán
                                                Miklós <<a
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">banm@vocs.unideb.hu</a>>
                                                ezt írta (időpont: 2020.
                                                máj. 8., P, 13:53):<br>
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                                                  <div>Sziasztok,</div>
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                                                  <div>van egy
                                                    fajnévkezelő
                                                    felület, ahol elég
                                                    hatékonyan lehet
                                                    javítani a
                                                    fajneveket. Ezek
                                                    szerint ezt nálatok
                                                    nem tartja karban
                                                    senki.
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Faj név listák
                                                    vannak máshol is,
                                                    szerintem nem
                                                    érdemes egy újat
                                                    megírni.<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Azért működik így
                                                    a rendszer, hogy
                                                    beengedi a rosszat,
                                                    mert így gyors az
                                                    adatbevitel, cserébe
                                                    utólag kell
                                                    javítani, de erre
                                                    több nagyon hatékony
                                                    eszköz is van, hogy
                                                    megtaláld miket kell
                                                    javítani. Azt hiszem
                                                    a DDNPI-nél például
                                                    van automatikus
                                                    fajnév oszlop amit
                                                    rendszer tölt ki, a
                                                    bírt fajnév alapján.
                                                    Mindegy neki hogy
                                                    magyar vagy latin
                                                    név, a latin nevet
                                                    írja be, ha tudja.
                                                    Ha nem tudja akkor
                                                    üresen marad, ha
                                                    üresen marad, akkor
                                                    meg kell nézni, mi a
                                                    gond, általában
                                                    elírás, ritkán új
                                                    fajnév, ami nem
                                                    szerepelt a
                                                    törzsadattárban.<br>
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                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>A DINPI-nél Zsófi
                                                    folyamatosan figyeli
                                                    a feltöltéseket és a
                                                    gyakori hibákat
                                                    javítja. A fajnév
                                                    karbantartó úgy
                                                    működik, hogy ha
                                                    betöltesz egy
                                                    fajnevet, akkor
                                                    betölti az összes
                                                    hasonló nevet is,
                                                    azaz az összes
                                                    elírást és egyszerre
                                                    mindet tudod
                                                    javítani.
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Elég gyorsan
                                                    lehet ezekkel az
                                                    eszközökkel
                                                    dolgozni. Van még a
                                                    validációs modul is,
                                                    ami
                                                    háttérfolyamatként
                                                    fut. Ezzel meg lehet
                                                    keresni az elírt
                                                    fajneveket és akár
                                                    automatikusan
                                                    javíttatni vagy
                                                    figyelmeztetést
                                                    küldetni vele az
                                                    arra illetékesnek.
                                                    Ezt a megoldást a
                                                    Milvus használja.<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Folyamatban van
                                                    egy nagy tábla
                                                    készítése amiben
                                                    több tízezer fajnév,
                                                    alfaj, védettség,
                                                    stb egyéb infó
                                                    kerül, ami az
                                                    OBM-tól független,
                                                    közösségi
                                                    karbantartású és az
                                                    OBM is használni
                                                    fogja. Hosszú távon
                                                    majd a validációs
                                                    modult érdemes erre
                                                    beállítani, hogy
                                                    ebből dolgozzon.</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>üdv, Miki<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>On 5/8/20 7:57
                                                    AM, Ádám Faragó
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>Sziasztok!
                                                      <div><br>
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                                                      <div>Nagyon
                                                        nehezen szoktam
                                                        át az OBM-re, de
                                                        már egy ideje
                                                        átálltam,
                                                        alapvetően jól
                                                        működik, gyors
                                                        adatrögzítést
                                                        tesz lehetővé,
                                                        tényleg gratula
                                                        hozzá!</div>
                                                      <div>Lényegében -
                                                        nézhetjük ezt
                                                        pozitívumként is
                                                        - már csak
                                                        egyetlen dolog
                                                        zavar a
                                                        rendszerben! :)</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>A rengeteg
                                                        elírt fajnév.</div>
                                                      <div>Néhányszor
                                                        nagy
                                                        hirtelenjében
                                                        van, hogy egy
                                                        rosszul írt
                                                        névre kattintok,
                                                        és nagyon zavar,
                                                        amikor ez
                                                        jelenik meg, és
                                                        nem tudok
                                                        változtatni
                                                        rajta (csak
                                                        szinkronizálás
                                                        után szúr
                                                        szemet). A
                                                        fülemüle
                                                        tudományos neve
                                                        (<i>Luscinia
                                                          megarhynchos</i>
                                                        helyesen)
                                                        például az
                                                        alábbiakból
                                                        választható:<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div><i>Luscinia
                                                          magerhynchos</i></div>
                                                      <div><i>Luscinia
                                                          megarchynchos</i></div>
                                                      <div><i>Luscinia
                                                          megrahynchos</i></div>
                                                      <div><i>Luscinia
                                                          megarhynchos</i></div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Szóképileg tök
                                                        ugyan olyan az
                                                        összes, és nagy
                                                        hirtelenjében
                                                        simán
                                                        ráklikkelhetsz
                                                        egy rosszra (még
                                                        akkor is, ha
                                                        amúgy pontosan
                                                        tudod a helyes
                                                        megoldást).</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Nem a
                                                        szinonímákkal van
                                                        gond (pl. <i>Anacamptis
                                                          morio/Orchis
                                                          morio)</i> hanem
                                                        a ténylegesen
                                                        elírt nevekkel.
                                                        Klasszikusok: <i>ch/c,
                                                          i/y</i>, vagy
                                                        dupla betűk
                                                        <i>i/ii, ae, </i>stb.
                                                        Ezeket ki kell
                                                        gyomlálni.
                                                        Egyrészt azért,
                                                        mert egyszerűen
                                                        nem jók,
                                                        másrészt pedig
                                                        ahogy nézem csak
                                                        a szinonímák + a
                                                        magyar név van
                                                        összekötve
                                                        szűréskor, a
                                                        fals nevek nem.
                                                        Így sok adat
                                                        kimaradhat
                                                        célzott
                                                        rákereséskor.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Ha csak a jó
                                                        nevek vannak a
                                                        legördülő
                                                        listában eleve
                                                        esélyed sincs
                                                        rosszat
                                                        kiválasztani. A
                                                        magyar nevek
                                                        esetében is elég
                                                        zűrzavaros a
                                                        helyzet, sőt,
                                                        igazából ugyan
                                                        olyan.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Ha az
                                                        segítség, akkor
                                                        én szívesen
                                                        megírom az eddig
                                                        gyűjtött
                                                        állatfajok
                                                        helyes
                                                        tudományos
                                                        neveit + a
                                                        magyar neveket
                                                        is (amennyiben
                                                        van a
                                                        jószágnak).
                                                        Technikailag már
                                                        nem értek hozzá,
                                                        hogy ez a
                                                        gyakorlatban
                                                        hogy kerül az
                                                        alkalmazásba, de
                                                        ennyit szívesen
                                                        megteszek! :)</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Üdv.:</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Ádám</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  <p><br>
                                                  </p>
                                                  <pre>-- 
Miklós Bán, PhD
MTA-DE Behavioural Ecology Research Group
Department of Evolutionary Zoology, University of Debrecen
H-4010 Debrecen, Egyetem tér 1.
Phone:  +36 52 512-900 ext. 62357
<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban</a>

OpenBioMaps
<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://openbiomaps.org</a>
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                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <p><br>
                          </p>
                          <pre>-- 
Miklós Bán, PhD
MTA-DE Behavioural Ecology Research Group
Department of Evolutionary Zoology, University of Debrecen
H-4010 Debrecen, Egyetem tér 1.
Phone:  +36 52 512-900 ext. 62357
<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban</a>

OpenBioMaps
<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://openbiomaps.org</a>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
</pre>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <p><br>
                  </p>
                  <pre cols="72">-- 
Miklós Bán, PhD
MTA-DE Behavioural Ecology Research Group
Department of Evolutionary Zoology, University of Debrecen
H-4010 Debrecen, Egyetem tér 1.
Phone:  +36 52 512-900 ext. 62357
<a href="http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban</a>

OpenBioMaps
<a href="https://openbiomaps.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://openbiomaps.org</a>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Miklós Bán, PhD
MTA-DE Behavioural Ecology Research Group
Department of Evolutionary Zoology, University of Debrecen
H-4010 Debrecen, Egyetem tér 1.
Phone:  +36 52 512-900 ext. 62357
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban">http://zoology.unideb.hu/@Miklos_Ban</a>

OpenBioMaps
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://openbiomaps.org">https://openbiomaps.org</a>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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